Daniel, It is hard to say beacuse we rarely get those returned. Our refurbished units have been in use less then thirty days and have been returned under buyers remorse. I would check back in a months or so to see if we get any back from the Holidays. Best thing to do is order one and then when we get one back you will be set up to get one. You will not be charged until your order can be filled. It is of course a very good machine and well worth waiting for.